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Welcome back to MVP's.
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What the f***, what the f***, what the f***, what the f***?
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Paranormal podcast, where we talk about, well, everything the paranormal encompasses.
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Let's f***ing do this.
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Oh s***, All right.
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Welcome back.
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Back everybody to another glorious episode.
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Uh, this particular episode we are going to be discussing the wolf men, the werewolves, dog men lots of different names for them throughout history and time.
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So, without further ado, let's fucking get into it fucking wolf.
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How house right there thank, you know what I mean, though, yeah thank you.
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Thank you for that, I really appreciated that one you're fucking welcome.
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Oh man, all right.
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So the wolves of where the werewolves.
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So for those of you out there that don't know or aren't aware, werewolves are some sort of mythological creatures, animals that certain tales would tell that humans would turn into a wolf-like creature under the full moon Possibly In some stories and in other stories it just can happen whenever or other stories.
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There's like a fucking ointment or some shit you rub on your body and you turn into a wolf yeah, or like uh, wolf pelts was a thing.
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Um, if you put these wolf pelts on, you know you would transform.
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I think that was in the vikings maybe talked about that you would don this, this magical wolf health, and you would transform into a wolf for for days.
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I think it was like seven days or ten days.
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That's a fucking badass.
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That's why those I had no idea that vikings believed in them yeah, vikings the greeks, the romans, yeah, they would dawn on for strength uh ability, that kind of stuff yeah, the uh, the theory and and or legend of so-called werewolves goes back really far in history, actually, actually all the way back to the epic of gilgamesh um, where it mentions a like a witch or whatever that turns men into wolves.
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But it also goes into Greek mythology too, with the legend of Lycaon I think that's how you say his name.
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Yeah.
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So those of you aren't aware of the Epic of Gilgamesh is actually older than the Bible.
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Like it's, it's an old ass book.
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Is that how old it is?
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Yeah, old as fuck.
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Ass.
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Ass.
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Yeah, Bleep, bleep, bleep.
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But yeah, even in Nordic folklore, in the saga of the Volsungs that's where the wolf pelts come from the father and son had discovered those wolf pelts that would turn them into wolves for like 10 days or something.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it for like 10 days or something.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.
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But uh, yeah, so it's, it's, it's.
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In a lot of like ancient history, a lot of different cultures and religions had their different theories and myths and legends about, uh, people or you know, mostly men turning into wolves.
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And you know, for you people, you know nitpickers out there in the world that say, fucking werewolves aren't part of cryptozoology.
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Well, we don't really give a shit.
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We're here talking about it because it's interesting.
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Well, I mean, why wouldn't it?
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be?
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yeah, I don't know, man, I'm curious just some nitpickers out there that you know.
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I guess some people want to think of cryptozoology, of like I guess more of on the on the lines of undiscovered creatures on the planet, you know, or yet or theorized creature animals like more just animals, not necessarily like myths and legends and stuff like that, but I feel like this could fall.
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It's a big gray area.
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I would think that it does count, because it is a fear.
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You know, it's a quote, unquote, monster that's what I think, man and fuck.
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They're cool as shit to talk about yeah they are cool
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especially since you know we've discovered through research in our in a previous podcast about bill ramsey werewolf.
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Yeah, that was a wild show, the south end werewolf it.
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Yeah, that was a wild show.
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The South End werewolf.
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It's an actual thing.
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That still blows my mind.
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I had no idea about that until you were talking about it, Mel.
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Yeah.
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It's an actual thing.
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Yeah, there's lots of different.
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I guess I don't know what you diagnoses out there.
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You know, if people like you have the what's, the hypertrichosis, where people grow hair all over their body and their face and they kind of look like a wolf man.
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Like the ones you would find in the freak show.
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Yeah, right there, fuck.
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Yeah, yeah, those guys, the wolf.
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Yeah.
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Is that a bearded lady?
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It is on the left of what I'm showing you.
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That is the very first documented family with hypertrichosis.
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They're from the Canary Islands and that was back in 1648, something like that yeah.
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It was a family of them or just one member of the family?
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No, it was the first recorded case, Petrus Gonsalves and there were multiple members of his family that had hypertrichosis.
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That is trippy, just a whole family of hairy dudes.
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Or girls or both I mean I would assume there are at least one female in that group.
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And then the picture on the right.
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Is that just a bearded lady?
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That is, it's a 17th century portrait of they called it the glamorous bearded woman, and her name was Barbara Van Beck.
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Oh shit.
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Yes, she had a very long cascading beard.
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She was actually born in Bavaria in 1629.
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And so she went on tour across Europe as part of for 30 years, as part of like this high end traveling show.
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That girl has a gorgeous beard.
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I'm just going to say it.
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She looks like the cowardly lion from Wizard of Oz.
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Oh, you're going to strike the hell for that one.
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There's that.
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I'm just putting it out there.
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Evan's over there being like man.
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She's perfect.
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I just want to pet your fur, but I would guess that that's why people would think that I mean the werewolf syndrome is basically hypertrichosis.
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Where they look like it, they've got that excessive hair growth and it's a different hair type from what would be on their head.
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I mean, is this still something that's happening today?
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Yeah, wow that is wild.
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Yeah, that's crazy.
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These are all current I don't know, man, if I looked like that, I think the last place I would go is the forest.
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I'm just going to say, oh, you almost do look like that.
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What are you talking about?
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what?
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Oh, you're hairy like animal.
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God, I be very good and you're missing, like a like, a little portion there a little portion, like my entire fucking head, I mean yeah yeah
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I mean I look closer to that bearded lady no, so there's also another isn't there.
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There's a mental disorder yes called lycanthropy.
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Yeah, and that's where people actually like believe that they're a wolf yeah, they've been transformed into some kind of animal.
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is the belief of the?
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There's two Clinical lycanthropy it is a psychiatric syndrome where they believe they turn into a wolf.
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But zoanthropy clinical zoanthropy is where the patient has this belief of turning into any kind of animal.
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If we're talking about werewolves, it would be the clinical lycanthropy and that would be the issue of like the Southern werewolf, where he literally thought he was turning into a werewolf.
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That's crazy and I mean, what can cause that?
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Is it like a form of, like some kind of psychosis or something it is?
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It's a psychiatric disorder, Okay, so it can be treatable with medications and stuff.
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Just so you know that there's since I think it was they did this study and they were able to track approximately no, I think they identified 43 actual reported cases of clinical lycanthropy and cananthropy from 1852 to 2020.
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So it's extremely rare and of those cases that were identified, there were 20 cases of full-on lycanthropy where they thought they were werewolves.
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Did they try to hurt people and like anything?
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No shit.
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And then there were four cases of partial lycanthropy where I think that's what the Bill Bill Ramsey would fall into, where it was going back and forth.
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Okay.
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And then the most recent case, I believe, was in 2020 in France.
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The person was 12 and with the use of medications.
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So wait, this was a 12-year-old boy that thought he was a werewolf.
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In France.
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Well, actually he was in France, but his ethnicity was from the Ivory Coast.
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He's now in remission because the treatment is antipsychotic drugs.
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His diagnosis with the lycanthropy was a schizophreniform disorder.
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Oh shit, yeah, that's wild.
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So the ones that legitimately think they're werewolves right.
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How do they even explain to them like, hey, this is a mental condition that you're going through, like you're not actually a werewolf.
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Well, that's with the use of antipsychotic drugs, so when they're in a, you know, a more cognitive state.
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All right, so it's in and out.
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It's in and out.
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When you say remission, do you mean like their fur starts dissipating?
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No, so that's two different things.
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So the, the hypertrichosis is the one where they look very hairy, but with the lycanthropy, that's where they don't necessarily have the hair but they think that they are.
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So like with bill ramsey, he literally thought he was seeing his hands turn into claws and he was attacking people and crazy trying to eat them.
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I think there's ever been a case of those two things coming together in one individual not that I could find not that I, oh, so you, you looked yeah, because we had covered this, because the warrens claimed that bill ramsey was possessed and they did an exorcism on him which they claim cured him.
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But yeah, we all know how that went.
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Yeah, all right.
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So, aside from the medical conditions, right Werewolves.
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The stories of werewolves.
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Yeah, man, throughout history there have been several different, several occurrences of alleged werewolves, but it turns out most of these were that I've found, that I've looked into, were actually just serial killers.
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What trials and stuff they had over there in, uh, in all of that part of europe they, in 1521, there was these two french guys, pierre bergotte and michael verdun, that had allegedly, you know, swore some sort of allegiance to the devil.
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They were out in the woods one night, you know, they met these, these devilish figures, met them and they swore allegiance to the devil and whatnot.
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but they gave them these, this ointment that they would put on them, on their bodies, that would turn them into wolves, into werewolves it rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again and they went on a basically a killing spree for like a while years, were killing people, innocent people, and under the influence of this so-called werewolf ointment, um, and eventually they got tried for it in 1521 and they confessed to brutally murdering, you know, several people and children, and they were both burned to death at the stake because of it was that part of the werewolf trials?
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yes yes there was a werewolf trials?
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Yeah, prior to the witch trials.
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There were werewolf trials that took place in europe from like the 15 I think it was like the 1500s through the 1700s and of all these people yeah, all all sorts of people.
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If you read into it, you know most of most of what it was was, you know, the underprivileged, the riffraff, the, um, the mentally ill people.
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They would, you know, snatch them up and really it was just a redirection of of all the issues that were going on, you know, with like hunger and lack of I don't even know what you would call it.
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You know just just bad scenarios and situations that were happening back then and they were the, the powers that be were looking for something to blame.
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So you know they were blaming werewolves and they went through a whole series of trials.
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And it's crazy, if you read into it, because the people that tried for this, you know you couldn't fight it there was.
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There was no good way to fight against it most, of them were the witch trials yeah, same same thing, and most of them would admit to being werewolves after they were tortured.
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But the craziest part of it is the executions that they did were more brutal than the crimes they committed.
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You know, not to say that it wasn't necessary, but some of these people, man, had like their skin removed with hot pinchers, like peeled their skin off.
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Holy shit, yeah, man, they'd remove them, uh, their body parts, one by one, you know, and then end with their head.
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One of the ones that happened in in France, uh, they removed all his skin and then worked up from his feet, removing you know portions of his body all the way to his head, and then they took his head and put it on a pike and on the pike had a carving of a wolf and then they put it out there.
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You know, it's like a warning to other people, like don't be werewolves that's ridiculous.
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Yeah, it was it was fucking brutal man.
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Brutal just like the witch trials.
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I had no idea I had no idea.
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I knew that um there was a guy named Peter Stump.
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Stub.
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Stub.
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Was it Stub or Stump?
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I think Stub, I think Peter Stub in Germany.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was the werewolf of Bedburg.
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Yeah, he was eventually blamed for all of those gruesome killings and stuff out there.
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He was accused of werewolfery.
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If that's a word, Show your mouth.
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I'm sorry.
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You're just coming off stupid.
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I'm coming off as stupid.
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Mel, you're a bunch of werewolfery, right now.
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Well, werewolfery Instead.
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of getting in trouble.
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You guys be careful about your werewolferies.
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Better stop with all that werewolfery.
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Instead of getting in trouble, you guys be careful about your werewolferies.
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Better stop with all that werewolfery.
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Find your head on a pike and and he had the biggest werewolf trial in in 1589.
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Yeah.
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And then he was stretched on a rack before.
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That was before his torture started.
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And then he confessed that, you know, he'd been practicing witchcraft since he was 12 and that the devil gave him a magic girdle or something, and so he was able to metamorphose into the likeness of a devouring wolf.
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He had, like some, enchanted belt that gave him the power to turn into a wolf.
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And he admitted that prior to torture or after torture, yeah go figure yeah.
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But for 25 years he had allegedly been a quote insatiable bloodsucker who gorged on the flesh of goats, sheep, women and children to killing and and eating 14 children and two pregnant women.
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Who's?
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that he.
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He said he ripped the fetus out and ate their hearts panting hot and raw.
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That's a quote, and he later described them as dainty morsels.
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One of the 14 children that he confessed to eating was his own son get the fuck out I'm dead serious.
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He said he went out into the sun with his son, into the woods, turned into a werewolf and ate him cold-blooded that's some fucked up shit.
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That's fucking brutal he allegedly also had an incestuous relationship with his daughter, which I don't think it was incestuous as more he forced himself upon her, but she actually was sentenced to die with him.
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What?
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Yeah, he was executed on Halloween 1589, alongside his daughter and a mistress.
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What they did was they put him on this wheel side his daughter and a mistress.
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What they did was they put him on this wheel, and so the flesh was torn from his body in 10 places with those red hot pincers, like you were saying, and then it was followed by his arms and legs, and then his limbs were broken with the blunt side of an axe before he was beheaded, and then his body burned on a pyre.
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His daughter and his mistress were flayed and then strangled and then burned next to his body yeah, I am holy shit, that is fucking brutal that is a punishment.
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Doesn't tell you don't be a werewolf.
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I don't know what does.
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Werewolfery.
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Yeah, werewolfery, churlish Frowned upon Churlish Churlish.
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God damn man, Don't be a werewolf back then, you know yeah.
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Probably a bad idea.
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You're going to have a bad time.
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Yeah, when we're going to werewolfery, lycanthropy is a real thing.
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Yeah.
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Now they don't transition into actual werewolves, but what they see when a person who does have lycanthropy is like Bill Ramsey was describing himself.
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He looked at his hands and he said he could see the claws, and so his hands would physically curl.
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Because, he was in his mind, he was and so I could see my claws to your toes, yeah, so my claws, my hands.
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I've seen your toenails, bro, so are you checking out my toenails?
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this is you could be a werewolf hey, this is not a public place to be talking about this talking about you'd be checking out my feet, don't?
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let.
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This is the perfect nonsense place because they're in their mind, they're seeing this change, they've convinced themselves, they feel the pain of the transformation.
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Then, physiologically, they start to behave and modify their body and hunch over as if they are now does this have to go with and I know this is going to be like way out in left field, but you know, the people who dress up like dogs and stuff like that would just be part of that situation where you think you are something but you're negative no, you're talking about furries.
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You're talking about furries and I'm not just talking about furries, but like there's this dude that just like spent 26 000 to look like a collie, oh yeah and he gets walked around and all that stuff.
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And the only reason why I say that is because, like the whole, what is this?
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Lichen, dioptery, whatever you want to call it, lycanthropy, werewolfery, but you're getting transformed into an animal and they behave like an animal.
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So wouldn't that fall in the same realm?
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Well, there's a difference?
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Because I don't think so, because clinical lycanthropy and what they're, they have like a sort of almost like a body dysmorphia kind of Well, I guess.
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And now you've got me.
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Damn.
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These are the questions.
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Hmm, because to me that follows right into that line.
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You transformed yourself into an animal.
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You believe, from this time to this time, that you are this animal.
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You can keep me cooped up in here.
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Okay, I am a peacock, you gotta let me fly that's very.
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You make a good point I think this is a choice, though no, because they're making a choice.
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It doesn't say it just says the illnesses in which a person believes he or she has been transformed into an animal.
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Such persons behave like an animal.
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That's the whole definition of it.
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That's different than species dysphoria, because species dysphoria is more of the person.
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They know that they're human, but they have the desire to become a non-human have the desire to become a non-human.
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So, anyways, um, where werewolves?
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Um, apparently there is some modern day sightings as well of werewolves.
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Oh yeah, stop it.
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Yeah, that's what they say.
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Um, the one such is, I guess, one of the most famous and well-known ones, is uh, been going on for quite some time, starting in the late 1930s, and the most recent sighting, somewhere in the 2011 area, is called the beast of Bray road.
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Yeah.
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Hell yeah, I knew you were going there in Wisconsin.
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